Book Review: Does God Exist?

Edited April 2023

A review of Does God Exist? The Debate between Theists & Atheists by J.P. Moreland and Kai Neilsen with contributions from Peter Kreeft, Antony Flew, William Lane Craig, Keith Parsons, and Dallas Willard.

Intro

This is an excellent and very stimulating book, including the preface, which is very well done. It places the debate in a firm category and gives an overview of the topic. Both debaters are highly qualified and interesting. The supporting contributions add much to the discussion by giving several thoughtful viewpoints. The book contains another discussion about ethics, which I will not list below for brevity.

Summary

Yes! A Defense of Christianity (Moreland)

Thesis: It is rational to believe that God exists

  1. Design in the universe
    1. Contra Hume: support in modern astronomy, physics, biology
    2. Fine tuned argument
      1. Matter to antimatter ratios, many constants in the universe perfect and could be little else for life to exist. Chance of spontaneous life is often put at 1x10^40. Similar chances of tornado forming a Boeing 747 in a junkyard.
      2. Hence the universe seems to have evolved with life in mind
    3. Presence of information shows that a mind behind biology
      1. DNA is information, just as SETI seeks info from space, we've found intelligence in biology
  2. Existence of moral value & meaning
    1. How could Big Bang spit out morals?
    2. Without God mankind is no more significant than swarm of mosquitoes, both were created and will be destroyed
    3. Atheist Mackie admits that morals unlikely to have arisen in course of events without God
    4. Atheists say there are no irreducible moral truths or properties. Moral views created by people. Then this choice is irrational if created by us. Morality is irrational.
  3. Archaeological confirmation of the Bible
  4. How could mind or consciousness arise out of matter?
  5. Millions claim an experience with a Creator
  6. God created universe finite time ago
    1. Philosophy - impossible to transverse actual infinite number of events by successive addition. If impossible then past must be finite or could never get to present. Present exists and time only goes forward hence past is finite and had 1st event. 1st event must be immutable and timeless. Either an agent caused it, as we are familiar with, or by nothing, which is unreasonable.
    2. Science - 2nd Law of Thermodynamics states that amount of energy is always decreasing. Hence if infinite then equilibrium would have been reached an infinite time ago (unless infinite energy & infinite space). Big Bang theory also postulates that universe started from one point a finite time ago. Due to density of the universe no contraction or further expansion cycles are possible.
  7. Jesus is God's supreme revelation to mankind
    1. Events unfolded too quick to be legends. Empty tomb unexplained otherwise, no veneration of burial site. Appearances of Jesus could not be hallucinations. The appearance and force of the Christian movement must be explained.

No! A Defense of Atheism (Nielsen)

Thesis: It is irrational to believe in God

  1. The idea of "God" is incoherent
    1. Anthropomorphic gods are not real but they are coherent
    2. The God of the bible is incoherent
      1. What does "God" stand for?
        1. No ostensive definition (extra-linguistic) - we cannot point to something and say that it is God. He cannot be seen or observed or experienced as all of these would be limited and therefore not God in actuality.
        2. Difficult to define intra-linguistically also. We can refer to all loving being or creator of earth but what does this mean? God is Ultimate Mystery but what does that mean?
        3. Hence we cannot use God as a premise because it's too problematic and obscure. We don't know what we're saying when we do.
        4. God is not observable.
          1. Indirect observation only counts with objects that can be observed. We're not sure about indirect but can confirm by direct observation.
          2. He is transcendent, therefore cannot be encountered (logical ban).
          3. Cannot have any eternal tokens, i.e. individuals, just types. Individuals are defined by their limits.
          4. Ask you to believe in poy but you can't if you don't know what it is. Similar with God.
          5. For God to be necessary eternal individual we must prove the opposite to be contradictory.
          6. If the concept of God is incoherent then no other arguments (ontological, cosmological, design) can get off the ground. It is a contradiction in premise and an invalid argument. Must know what we are talking about first.
          7. We have the illusion of understanding based on anthropomorphic conceptions. But when we de-anthropomorphize our conception it becomes an incoherent one.

A Christian's Rebuttal (Moreland)

  1. Most of human race discusses God and believes to do so in a way that is intelligible.
  2. God can be detected in religious experience
    1. He could be defined by ostensive methods or in inferring Him via theoretical explanations. "God" is given meaning by the thing that explains a set of effects such as science does with scientific theories.
    2. Not all things are observable in scientific theories: magnetic fields, energy, and gravity. So we do believe in things that are unobservable even in principle.
    3. Hence it is possible to have ostensive knowledge of God. Interactions in history have been passed down as a reference to the Cause of the events we label "God".
    4. We can understand also via analogy with ourselves. His intellect, emotions, and will are analogous to ours.
    5. It is a fallacy to think that we cannot know things unless we know them exhaustively. If chance created a sign saying, "London in 10 mi" then there would be no reason to trust the information. If our sensory faculties are by chance, how do we know that we can trust them? Survival only requires they be consistent, not accurate. An animal could see big predators as small and survive by avoiding any "small" predator it saw. It would not see reality truthfully but it could survive.
  3. Christianity does not read like myth, it is true and persuasive.

An Atheist's Rebuttal (Nielsen)

  1. The resurrection would not point to an infinite personal God, just some unexplained phenomena.
  2. God-talk is intelligible when it is anthropomorphic
    1. Religious experience does not directly detect God as it is feelings and these feelings are interpreted differently based on religious framework. This gives us no good reason to believe it is reality.
  3. In physics, it is logically possible to see photons and electrons; we just don't always have a means of doing so. Things like fields of forces are theoretical constructions. Not actual things or real entities, they are just useful explanations.
  4. Moreland commits Platonic fallacy. We cannot define chairs or knowledge but we can point to them. We cannot point to God.
  5. Design only shows design in the world not design of the world. A factual necessity could not be show to be God or certainly not linked with Jesus.
  6. Historicity of Christian movement does not show Jesus is divine, just that many thought he was. Why should we accept this version over any other religious one?

Closing Argument for Atheism (Nielsen)

  1. Problem with appeals to scientific authorities - dangerous to focus religious arguments on speculative cosmological theory. Big Bang is popular now but could easily change.
  2. Problem with appeal to design - We could just be seeing order and regularity not design.
  3. Problem with religious experience - There could be more than just feelings but this could not be a transcendent God of Christianity. How can God be transcendent and immanent? This is a paradox. It is unclear which best explains these incidents, different religious or secular theory. They are very unreliable.
  4. There are many religions, why not believe in the revelations of others? They say very different things. How do you decide between "claimed" revelation and "genuine" revelation? If we use reason and empirical evidence to judge, why do we need revelation at all?

Closing Arguments for Christianity (Moreland)

  1. We should go with best current theories of authorities available. Science is often used against Christianity, it should be used for it where applicable also.
  2. Evidence for Jesus is much better than evidences for other religions. Other religious figures are all in their tombs Jesus is not. The message of Jesus is authenticated by supernatural works.
  3. People, even atheists, feel the draw of something bigger out there.

Remarks

Moreland backs his thesis that it is rational to believe God exists by arguments from cosmology, design, experience, the existence of morality, the existence of the mind, and the historical account of Jesus and the Bible. When asked, "why believe that God exists?" these arguments provide several justifications to the reasonableness of that belief. One can be a rational thinking person and believe God exists. In fact, with these arguments one may be pressed to explain why they believe he does not exist and what else can be put in his place for these phenomena.

Nielsen argues it is irrational to believe God exists because of the incoherence of the term and idea "God" as presented by theism. If this term is self-contradictory and unintelligible, then to say that we believe in God is irrational and meaningless. His arguments deserve to be commented on first for, as he says, without a consistent rational view of "God" no other arguments can get off the ground. Cosmology, design, experience, and history may point to something but it cannot be the "God" with which we are familiar if that idea is irrational.

Response: Contra Nielsen

Much of Nielsen's argument hinges on the attribute transcendent often assigned to God. He admits that if this attribute is dropped then some problems of incoherence go away, but this is as unfair as dropping omnipotent from the Problem of Evil discussion and still maintaining we are talking about God in the classic theist sense. How do we make sense of God's transcendence with regard to human experience and reference? Transcend is to "rise above; to surpass; to outgo; to excel; to exceed" (New Weber's Dictionary). To say God is transcendent is usually to mean that God's existence transcends the universe (he exceeds the physical), that his knowledge transcends human knowledge (he both excels and surpasses our knowledge), or that his methods and motives transcend understanding (his reasons surpasses our understanding or our ability to grasp all of the factors involved). As the debate is centered around the question of God's existence, the first is of primary concern.

Nielsen states religious experience cannot be legitimate as this experience cannot be of a transcendent being and must therefore be something else. I believe his view of transcendence differs from that held by the theist. Theism assigns omnipresence to God. This means his presence is infinite, or without limit. If this presence is truly everywhere as omni implies then it extends to the physical universe also. If it is a presence in the physical sense (pantheism) then this may run into difficulty in explaining how it is in fact also transcendent. But if it is a presence in the spiritual sense (theism) then this presence may be immanent by being close at hand to all physical points and transcendent by exceeding the physical realm to beyond. There is no limit to God's presence. There may or may not be a limit to the physical realm. God transcends the physical, being present in a dimension beyond those of space-time. As neutrinos can transcend a balloon and be found beyond the balloon while also inside it, so too can God transcend the universe while also being present inside. (This is difficult to illustrate as our thinking is so bound to space-time examples.) Hence, God's transcendence is intelligible.

I believe that Moreland's critique of Nielsen is an accurate one. That is, the mistake of thinking we cannot know things unless we know them exhaustively. We could never know God exhaustively, just as no finite container can hold an infinite amount. It is unlikely we know anything exhaustively. But does this mean we can know nothing or experience nothing? We may know a subset of what God is like even if we do not know him entirely. An experience of God is possible and intelligible given that God is present in the universe. We've asserted this in contrast to Nielsen's understanding of transcendence. This experience would not be of the full God, as Nielsen rightly claims, but to say that it is not of a part of who God is, reaches too far. We may experience some of his love, his power, or his presence even if it is not the full extent of each. A person who sees a picture of me sees only a two dimensional image. They are not experiencing the full me in sound or sight or being. But they may gain an understanding of me well enough that they could even recognize me when meeting me in person. So too, we may not experience God in full form but we may sense enough to know him a bit. And be able to recognize him when we meet him again. Hence there is no logical ban on experiencing, or observing God. He could be observable (though only in part).

These various references and experiences of "God" can be confusing and Nielsen raises a key objection that given experiences with God could be true, which of these "revelations" do we trust? Here is where all of the arguments from cosmology, design, experience, and history weigh in the most. The revelations that best explain and least contradict the truth as we can determine it through history, experience, and science deserve the best hearing. Those that are plausible, non-contradictory, and the most influential should be investigated. In his concluding remarks Nielsen states we do not have time to investigate everything and even the theist often dismisses many philosophies on little hearing. I agree. We should limit the field by necessity. Christianity deserves to be the foremost worldview to investigate given its influence, evidence, and explanatory power. Antony Flew's objection about falsification is an interesting one. Under what circumstances would a believer in either position agree that they were wrong and their belief is false. For Christians the falsification condition is clearly stated by the Apostle Paul, if Christ did not rise from the dead then our faith is in vain (1 Corinthians 15:14-19). Should this historical event be proven false then Christianity is to be abandoned. It may be unclear in other theistic philosophies what this condition may be. It is unclear what this may be for many atheists as well. How could an atheist be convinced that they had "seen God" given he may be experienced only in part? This experience could merely be integrated into the natural as Nielsen suggests in his arguments as an "unexplained phenomena". Having specific, contorted falsification requirements can become just as unfair as theists are accused as being. Hence, Christianity, unlike many philosophies, not only marshals significant evidence for its truthfulness but also contains clear falsification conditions that can be tested.

Argument For God's Existence Extended

The rationality of the idea of God being established, Moreland's argument presents another reason to believe God exists beyond a weighing of human experience. This is his cosmological argument. He argues that the universe was created a finite time ago, necessarily finite do to the impossibility of an infinite past or an eternal physical universe.

As he states, there are two potentials for the existence of the physical universe. Either it began or it has always existed. Both of these views present serious difficulties for the atheist. If the universe began, what kick started it so that things began to change as they certainly change now? Even an always existing universe cannot have been static for eternity past. At some point, it became dynamic. Isn't this another form of saying the universe had a beginning? A universe which existed infinitely in the past has the infinite regression issues mentioned in Moreland's arguments above. Scientific theories have gone back and forth on this as noted in the contributions1. Some theories present an eternally existing physical universe. If true, this undercuts the scientific theoretical evidence for a finite universe, but it does not resolve the impossibility of crossing an infinite past. Something must have started it. The universe had a beginning. Theism's answer for this beginning is the most reasonable.


1. Moreland supports his theory both with the Big Bang and with the 2nd Law of Thermal Dynamics. The Big Bang postulates that the universe can be wound back in time to a single point in which space-time sprang into existence. Thermal dynamics states that all systems lose energy and the universe would have lost an infinite amount if it had been around an infinite amount of time. Parsons tries to clear up this up by undercutting the impossibility of crossing an actual infinite and the scientific evidence for the Big Bang. He proposes Stephen Hawkins theory from A Brief History of Time in which the universe is finite but unbounded in time. According to this view, time is like a sphere with no beginning or end. Hence, the need for a beginning or an end is unnecessary. No need for a Creator. Like the Steady State theory, jokingly mentioned by Nielsen, the universe need no longer be wound back to a single point but rather could have existed in another form, or the same form for eternity. Craig critiques this view noting that first; it "presupposes the World Ensemble ontology" (147). This assumption requires a view of the cosmos "in which our universe is a fluctuation in a sort of super-space, where all physically possible space-times are embedded". Craig points out that "this is a piece of speculative metaphysics no less objectionable than theism; indeed, I should argue, more objectionable because the reality of time is ultimately denied as all dimensions... are subsumed into superspace" (148). Why is there more reason to believe that we live in a multiverse in which all possibilities exist than to believe in a Creator? Second, the theory replaces real time with imaginary time. Imaginary numbers are used for the coordinates of the time dimension. Craig notes, "but if one translates the equations back into real time, one discovers the singularities are still there" (148). Not only is imaginary time unintelligible, as no one knows what is meant physically by imaginary time, but it also confuses time with space by making time indistinguishable from spatial coordinates. Thus this theory should be rejected in favor of the Big Bang. That being the case the question of a Creator comes right back in.

Update: Since this book's publication in 1990, multiverse theories have become massively more popular in the media and movies. While they are increasingly well-known, they have not had a corresponding increase in evidence for their existence. Multiverse theory is the front runner for a non-theistic universe given the real objections philosophers like Moreland have raised.

References

Moreland, James Porter and Kai Nielsen. Does God exist? : the debate between theists and atheists. Nashville: Prometheus Books, 1990.